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	<title>Comments on: Hosted SharePoint: The Next SaaS Commodity?</title>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
		<link>http://www.mspmentor.net/2010/02/16/hosted-sharepoint-the-next-saas-commodity/comment-page-1/#comment-52366</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy: We&#039;ll do some work to pull those SMB owners into the conversation. Stay tuned.
-jp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy: We&#8217;ll do some work to pull those SMB owners into the conversation. Stay tuned.<br />
-jp</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Myers</title>
		<link>http://www.mspmentor.net/2010/02/16/hosted-sharepoint-the-next-saas-commodity/comment-page-1/#comment-52364</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Joe. I agree with what you are saying but at least on the low end (50 desktops or less) the proliferation of Do It Yourselfers out there married with these streamlined hosted offerings is terrible news for any kind of reseller.

In the 2 years leading up to my departure from the IT Service space it seemed that customers of that size were more interested in buying something direct at rock bottom prices, then paying you to put it in. It&#039;s a shift in SMB consumer mentality in my opinion and a far bigger threat than any local competitor ever was.

It would be really interesting if MSP Mentor found a way to pull some direct feedback into topics like this to see what the &quot;average joe&quot; SMB business owner and manager thinks.


Andy Myers
Fractional CIO, Consultant
www.andymyers.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Joe. I agree with what you are saying but at least on the low end (50 desktops or less) the proliferation of Do It Yourselfers out there married with these streamlined hosted offerings is terrible news for any kind of reseller.</p>
<p>In the 2 years leading up to my departure from the IT Service space it seemed that customers of that size were more interested in buying something direct at rock bottom prices, then paying you to put it in. It&#8217;s a shift in SMB consumer mentality in my opinion and a far bigger threat than any local competitor ever was.</p>
<p>It would be really interesting if MSP Mentor found a way to pull some direct feedback into topics like this to see what the &#8220;average joe&#8221; SMB business owner and manager thinks.</p>
<p>Andy Myers<br />
Fractional CIO, Consultant<br />
<a href="http://www.andymyers.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.andymyers.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Edward Stringfellow</title>
		<link>http://www.mspmentor.net/2010/02/16/hosted-sharepoint-the-next-saas-commodity/comment-page-1/#comment-52362</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Stringfellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 04:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beware all MSP&#039;s out there that somehow think developing &quot;your own&quot; SaaS, hosted, utility, etc. services is going to be different that building your own Linux-based firewall when you should just resell a trusted product.  Anyone out there still building white boxes?

In 2006 we built out full Exchange/SharePoint hosting platform using Microsoft&#039;s HMC provisioning technology.  It was great until we realized that the hardware refresh and operational costs would simply increase over time and squeeze the margins.  Then guess what?  Microsoft, Intermedia, GroupSpark, and others said hey, you can just resell this like any other product and focus all the extra energy from managing your platform back to Clients.  Guess what we did?  ;)

Remember a Managed SERVICE PROVIDER needs to focus on delivering great services to clients, not running a platform to deliver products.  Simply no way to compete as this is hugely capital intensive business with decreasing margins.

Edward Stringfellow
www.stringfellow.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware all MSP&#8217;s out there that somehow think developing &#8220;your own&#8221; SaaS, hosted, utility, etc. services is going to be different that building your own Linux-based firewall when you should just resell a trusted product.  Anyone out there still building white boxes?</p>
<p>In 2006 we built out full Exchange/SharePoint hosting platform using Microsoft&#8217;s HMC provisioning technology.  It was great until we realized that the hardware refresh and operational costs would simply increase over time and squeeze the margins.  Then guess what?  Microsoft, Intermedia, GroupSpark, and others said hey, you can just resell this like any other product and focus all the extra energy from managing your platform back to Clients.  Guess what we did?  <img src='http://c810422.r22.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Remember a Managed SERVICE PROVIDER needs to focus on delivering great services to clients, not running a platform to deliver products.  Simply no way to compete as this is hugely capital intensive business with decreasing margins.</p>
<p>Edward Stringfellow<br />
<a href="http://www.stringfellow.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.stringfellow.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
		<link>http://www.mspmentor.net/2010/02/16/hosted-sharepoint-the-next-saas-commodity/comment-page-1/#comment-52356</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy@5: VARs aren&#039;t going away. There will always be a &quot;new&quot; technology around which to provide IT consulting. Trying to make money purely off hardware? That&#039;s an entirely different story.
-jp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy@5: VARs aren&#8217;t going away. There will always be a &#8220;new&#8221; technology around which to provide IT consulting. Trying to make money purely off hardware? That&#8217;s an entirely different story.<br />
-jp</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Myers</title>
		<link>http://www.mspmentor.net/2010/02/16/hosted-sharepoint-the-next-saas-commodity/comment-page-1/#comment-52354</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I owned an MSP today I would be looking to sell only services, management and &quot;vCIO&quot;.

@Kevin is right. Hosting your own is a big endeavor. Truly a whole other business. Not to mention BPOS is super cheap and includes the Sign In Client which is STILL unmatched in the hosting world.

The fact that Google Docs is now allowing &quot;any file type&quot; to be uploaded (per Google Partner Feb newsletter) and offering dirt cheap add on storage means further eroded market share. I think a whole TB is only $300 and change PER YEAR.

Posts like this have me always contemplating... is VAR coming to and end in the SMB world?

Andy Myers
Fractional CIO, Consultant
www.andymyers.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I owned an MSP today I would be looking to sell only services, management and &#8220;vCIO&#8221;.</p>
<p>@Kevin is right. Hosting your own is a big endeavor. Truly a whole other business. Not to mention BPOS is super cheap and includes the Sign In Client which is STILL unmatched in the hosting world.</p>
<p>The fact that Google Docs is now allowing &#8220;any file type&#8221; to be uploaded (per Google Partner Feb newsletter) and offering dirt cheap add on storage means further eroded market share. I think a whole TB is only $300 and change PER YEAR.</p>
<p>Posts like this have me always contemplating&#8230; is VAR coming to and end in the SMB world?</p>
<p>Andy Myers<br />
Fractional CIO, Consultant<br />
<a href="http://www.andymyers.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.andymyers.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Doherty</title>
		<link>http://www.mspmentor.net/2010/02/16/hosted-sharepoint-the-next-saas-commodity/comment-page-1/#comment-52350</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Doherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who has been following this market know that SharePoint hosting [either MSP or SaaS] has been commodity for at least 18 months.  Phase 2  has been hosting SharePoint since 2006.

Unless you are a dev shop [or ISV] with your own plug-in or derivation, you will find hosting this product frustrating.  If, however, you can find a way to add significant value and generate market demand for this value, there may be a model that makes sense.  Then again, with so many others hosting the product already, you&#039;d be well advised to leverage another providers  platform and focus your resources on the software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who has been following this market know that SharePoint hosting [either MSP or SaaS] has been commodity for at least 18 months.  Phase 2  has been hosting SharePoint since 2006.</p>
<p>Unless you are a dev shop [or ISV] with your own plug-in or derivation, you will find hosting this product frustrating.  If, however, you can find a way to add significant value and generate market demand for this value, there may be a model that makes sense.  Then again, with so many others hosting the product already, you&#8217;d be well advised to leverage another providers  platform and focus your resources on the software.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Naramore</title>
		<link>http://www.mspmentor.net/2010/02/16/hosted-sharepoint-the-next-saas-commodity/comment-page-1/#comment-52349</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Naramore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABP couldn&#039;t agree more.  We opened our SaaS/Managed Service Offerings back in 2001 with MS Team Services and rode the bubble up and now down with V2.0/3.0/MOSS as Hosted SharePoint sites and features comoditized.  We re-focused our efforts on a particular public and private sectors providing cross culture and multi jurisdiction collaboration needs.  Most of the time these entities already have SharePoint but lack the resources to build, manage and financially charge back their brother/sister collaborators in order to share the cost.

ABP is the easy choice for Government or Private Sector Entities to quickly place any collaboration tools into production without the headache and overhead.

ABP won several awards in 2009 with this strategy.  BEST OF CALIFORNIA 2009 AND BEST WEB SOLUTION &quot;GTC 2009&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABP couldn&#8217;t agree more.  We opened our SaaS/Managed Service Offerings back in 2001 with MS Team Services and rode the bubble up and now down with V2.0/3.0/MOSS as Hosted SharePoint sites and features comoditized.  We re-focused our efforts on a particular public and private sectors providing cross culture and multi jurisdiction collaboration needs.  Most of the time these entities already have SharePoint but lack the resources to build, manage and financially charge back their brother/sister collaborators in order to share the cost.</p>
<p>ABP is the easy choice for Government or Private Sector Entities to quickly place any collaboration tools into production without the headache and overhead.</p>
<p>ABP won several awards in 2009 with this strategy.  BEST OF CALIFORNIA 2009 AND BEST WEB SOLUTION &#8220;GTC 2009&#8243;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
		<link>http://www.mspmentor.net/2010/02/16/hosted-sharepoint-the-next-saas-commodity/comment-page-1/#comment-52345</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shahab: Thanks for the HyperOffice update. When you say you&#039;re &quot;opening up&quot; your reseller program... what&#039;s the status of that program today?
-jp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shahab: Thanks for the HyperOffice update. When you say you&#8217;re &#8220;opening up&#8221; your reseller program&#8230; what&#8217;s the status of that program today?<br />
-jp</p>
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		<title>By: Shahab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shahab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, 

There is a third option. Instead of being a me-too player, service providers can opt to carve out a niche and go non-MS, i.e. targeting SMBs. While we have proof that business email, mobile collaboration, SharePoint intranets are becoming standard for knowledge worker environments - Small Businesses don&#039;t have the internal expertise and budgets to set these environments up and they are typically too robust which makes them difficult to use. I submit that service providers should look at reselling applications that target the fastest growing segment - small businesses with applications that are slimmer and better suited to small businesses (&lt;100 ee). Google Apps fits this profile and of course my company, HyperOffice is opening up our reseller program with some very interesting developments around mobile collaboration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, </p>
<p>There is a third option. Instead of being a me-too player, service providers can opt to carve out a niche and go non-MS, i.e. targeting SMBs. While we have proof that business email, mobile collaboration, SharePoint intranets are becoming standard for knowledge worker environments &#8211; Small Businesses don&#8217;t have the internal expertise and budgets to set these environments up and they are typically too robust which makes them difficult to use. I submit that service providers should look at reselling applications that target the fastest growing segment &#8211; small businesses with applications that are slimmer and better suited to small businesses (&lt;100 ee). Google Apps fits this profile and of course my company, HyperOffice is opening up our reseller program with some very interesting developments around mobile collaboration.</p>
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