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	<title>Comments on: Winners and Losers In Managed Services 2.0</title>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katherine,

In my view it will be impossible for any but the largest of VARs to have the range of technical competencies to address the typical SMB’s requirements.  That means we will see more consolidation, peer-to-peer partnerships, opportunities for the rise of highly specialized second tier support organizations for specific technologies, outsourced NOCs in India or China, and as Amy suggests continued rapid growth of the Master MSP model.  

I expect it will be a combination of all of these presenting a shift to a tiered services model and the requirement for almost unlimited collaboration models.  Level Platforms supports most of this already at some level including support for real time synchronized PSA and help desk software, etc. and it expanding this support is a high priority.

VoIP/UC third party management applications also offer great alternatives to vendor solutions.  But as with any SaaS-type application, management is critical since the MSP needs to be able to be able to answer the question, “my phone is not working” or “the sound was not clear” and this requires end-to-end monitoring and management.  My point is that without these features in an MSP platform few MSPs will embrace these opportunities and hence the absolute need for us to deliver this MSP 2.0 capability before we become barriers to the adoption of new technlogy and delivery models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katherine,</p>
<p>In my view it will be impossible for any but the largest of VARs to have the range of technical competencies to address the typical SMB’s requirements.  That means we will see more consolidation, peer-to-peer partnerships, opportunities for the rise of highly specialized second tier support organizations for specific technologies, outsourced NOCs in India or China, and as Amy suggests continued rapid growth of the Master MSP model.  </p>
<p>I expect it will be a combination of all of these presenting a shift to a tiered services model and the requirement for almost unlimited collaboration models.  Level Platforms supports most of this already at some level including support for real time synchronized PSA and help desk software, etc. and it expanding this support is a high priority.</p>
<p>VoIP/UC third party management applications also offer great alternatives to vendor solutions.  But as with any SaaS-type application, management is critical since the MSP needs to be able to be able to answer the question, “my phone is not working” or “the sound was not clear” and this requires end-to-end monitoring and management.  My point is that without these features in an MSP platform few MSPs will embrace these opportunities and hence the absolute need for us to deliver this MSP 2.0 capability before we become barriers to the adoption of new technlogy and delivery models.</p>
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		<title>By: mspsn</title>
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		<dc:creator>mspsn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is certainly timely and pertinent, and it’s good to see that an RMM tool manufacturer is able to articulate the problems the MSP faces today.  What this post doesn’t address though is how the MSP tool vendors will need to change to accommodate the MSP, and the new model of the “Master MSP.”  Distributed computing isn’t new, and in fact has been a major issue for the MSP for at least a few years now.  In fact, I would say that distributed computing is the standard whether in SMB or not, but even more so in the SMB and upper Mid Market.  Right now, the MSP manufacturers need to play catch up to give the MSPs the tools they need to truly deliver on the promises they make every day, the fundamental one of which they promise to know ahead of time and be able to proactively manage that customer’s infrastructure, distributed or not.

If some of that infrastructure is in the cloud and some of it is distributed and some is traditional LAN/WAN architecture, how will the existing MSP manufacturers need to change their tools to accommodate?  The open architecture and integration mantra is surely relevant, and in fact critical to the success of the MSP manufacturers, but mostly importantly that integration actually has to work as advertised in order for the mature MSP to have a competitive advantage as they nurture and expand their practice today.

As MSPs mature the greatest challenge they will have is in hoping their tools mature along with them at a pace that keeps them at a competitive advantage over their local, regional, national and even worldwide competitors.  Agility, responsiveness and the ability to produce the features the MSP needs is going to be critical for the MSP manufacturers today and tomorrow.  I am not sure what 2010 will bring, but 2009 will be the year that the MSP tool manufacturers will have to step up and produce the features that the mature MSP needs.

Amy Luby
CEO, MSP Services Network
www.mspsn.com
aluby at mspsn dot com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is certainly timely and pertinent, and it’s good to see that an RMM tool manufacturer is able to articulate the problems the MSP faces today.  What this post doesn’t address though is how the MSP tool vendors will need to change to accommodate the MSP, and the new model of the “Master MSP.”  Distributed computing isn’t new, and in fact has been a major issue for the MSP for at least a few years now.  In fact, I would say that distributed computing is the standard whether in SMB or not, but even more so in the SMB and upper Mid Market.  Right now, the MSP manufacturers need to play catch up to give the MSPs the tools they need to truly deliver on the promises they make every day, the fundamental one of which they promise to know ahead of time and be able to proactively manage that customer’s infrastructure, distributed or not.</p>
<p>If some of that infrastructure is in the cloud and some of it is distributed and some is traditional LAN/WAN architecture, how will the existing MSP manufacturers need to change their tools to accommodate?  The open architecture and integration mantra is surely relevant, and in fact critical to the success of the MSP manufacturers, but mostly importantly that integration actually has to work as advertised in order for the mature MSP to have a competitive advantage as they nurture and expand their practice today.</p>
<p>As MSPs mature the greatest challenge they will have is in hoping their tools mature along with them at a pace that keeps them at a competitive advantage over their local, regional, national and even worldwide competitors.  Agility, responsiveness and the ability to produce the features the MSP needs is going to be critical for the MSP manufacturers today and tomorrow.  I am not sure what 2010 will bring, but 2009 will be the year that the MSP tool manufacturers will have to step up and produce the features that the mature MSP needs.</p>
<p>Amy Luby<br />
CEO, MSP Services Network<br />
<a href="http://www.mspsn.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mspsn.com</a><br />
aluby at mspsn dot com</p>
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		<title>By: John Cowan</title>
		<link>http://www.mspmentor.net/2008/11/20/winners-and-losers-in-managed-services-20/comment-page-1/#comment-32923</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen....

This is perhaps one of the most lucid posts I&#039;ve read in quite some time as it relates to the impact of an new era of computing on the channel.  

Since it is neither realistic nor practical for the average MSP to thow the baby out with the bath water, the key is how the MSP will actually manage such a transition.  

One critical component to the sea change will be suppliers and vendors that can effectively help the MSP maintain SLA integrity while improving overall profitability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen&#8230;.</p>
<p>This is perhaps one of the most lucid posts I&#8217;ve read in quite some time as it relates to the impact of an new era of computing on the channel.  </p>
<p>Since it is neither realistic nor practical for the average MSP to thow the baby out with the bath water, the key is how the MSP will actually manage such a transition.  </p>
<p>One critical component to the sea change will be suppliers and vendors that can effectively help the MSP maintain SLA integrity while improving overall profitability.</p>
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		<title>By: sjketterman</title>
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		<dc:creator>sjketterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds like all the more reason to embrace value-based pricing.  In terms of SaaS and Cloud computing, etc. I am keen on this but as Joe pointed out in a previous post, it is confusing and very blurry right now in terms of who is offering what and the direction everyone is headed (even on a daily basis).

It would be great to have a resource for MSP&#039;s wanting to learn about the new 2.0 concepts and services because right now it&#039;s a mixed bag of where to go and find out information.

From a business point of view, however, I think one thing left out of this discussion is a part of MSP 2.0 I believe will also be a large winner and that is understanding how to offer solutions to businesses not just services.  Solutions will help the business achieve their goals not just deal with IT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like all the more reason to embrace value-based pricing.  In terms of SaaS and Cloud computing, etc. I am keen on this but as Joe pointed out in a previous post, it is confusing and very blurry right now in terms of who is offering what and the direction everyone is headed (even on a daily basis).</p>
<p>It would be great to have a resource for MSP&#8217;s wanting to learn about the new 2.0 concepts and services because right now it&#8217;s a mixed bag of where to go and find out information.</p>
<p>From a business point of view, however, I think one thing left out of this discussion is a part of MSP 2.0 I believe will also be a large winner and that is understanding how to offer solutions to businesses not just services.  Solutions will help the business achieve their goals not just deal with IT.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
		<link>http://www.mspmentor.net/2008/11/20/winners-and-losers-in-managed-services-20/comment-page-1/#comment-32894</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katherine: Good to hear from you.

Readers: I just wanted to point out that Katherine&#039;s company, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nemertes.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nemertes Research&lt;/a&gt;, generates a lot of timely research related to managed services and unified communications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katherine: Good to hear from you.</p>
<p>Readers: I just wanted to point out that Katherine&#8217;s company, <a href="http://www.nemertes.com/" rel="nofollow">Nemertes Research</a>, generates a lot of timely research related to managed services and unified communications.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree with you more. This is a huge opportunity for those MSPs that are up for the challenge.  Couple questions, do you expect we&#039;ll see more VAR consolidation due to these requirements, or will they we willing to Co-partner on some projects? Also, with regards to VOIP/UC managed services, should we expect that MSPs will be interested in third-party management applications, and may shift away from specific vendor solutions?
Appreciate your insight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more. This is a huge opportunity for those MSPs that are up for the challenge.  Couple questions, do you expect we&#8217;ll see more VAR consolidation due to these requirements, or will they we willing to Co-partner on some projects? Also, with regards to VOIP/UC managed services, should we expect that MSPs will be interested in third-party management applications, and may shift away from specific vendor solutions?<br />
Appreciate your insight!</p>
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