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		<title>By: StuFinancesTech</title>
		<link>http://www.mspmentor.net/2008/04/11/profitable-managed-services-six-ways-to-acquire-customers/comment-page-1/#comment-6964</link>
		<dc:creator>StuFinancesTech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a small business owner myself, I&#039;d say the search starts with a keyword search on google but it certainly doesn&#039;t end there. MSPs need to network and with business people, not technology people.  When an MSP tells me how what he provides helps me solve a business problem, then he has my attention for 2 big reasons 1) I care about my business and its problems not about technology (until it becomes a problem or a solution) and 2) He differentiates himself from the others who are more comfortable talking technology and its benefits instead of overall business benefits.

Its only in networking environments (or conversations with clients) that these conversations can start to take place so I can find someone to trust with my mission critical data. So online marketing is important I agree, its just the beginning of the search for a provider though, not the end of it.

Stu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a small business owner myself, I&#8217;d say the search starts with a keyword search on google but it certainly doesn&#8217;t end there. MSPs need to network and with business people, not technology people.  When an MSP tells me how what he provides helps me solve a business problem, then he has my attention for 2 big reasons 1) I care about my business and its problems not about technology (until it becomes a problem or a solution) and 2) He differentiates himself from the others who are more comfortable talking technology and its benefits instead of overall business benefits.</p>
<p>Its only in networking environments (or conversations with clients) that these conversations can start to take place so I can find someone to trust with my mission critical data. So online marketing is important I agree, its just the beginning of the search for a provider though, not the end of it.</p>
<p>Stu</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David: Marketing is often the last thing MSPs consider ... but it should be far higher on the &quot;to do&quot; list. Thanks for sharing that resource with readers, David.
-jp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: Marketing is often the last thing MSPs consider &#8230; but it should be far higher on the &#8220;to do&#8221; list. Thanks for sharing that resource with readers, David.<br />
-jp</p>
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		<title>By: David H. Deans</title>
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		<dc:creator>David H. Deans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, I&#039;ve actually written a customer engagement primer entitled &lt;a href=&quot;http://geoactivegroup.com/resources.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twenty-First Century Marketing Communications&lt;/A&gt; that outlines the basic guiding principles that MSPs can start to apply to their online marketing efforts.

David H. Deans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I&#8217;ve actually written a customer engagement primer entitled <a href="http://geoactivegroup.com/resources.aspx" rel="nofollow">Twenty-First Century Marketing Communications</a> that outlines the basic guiding principles that MSPs can start to apply to their online marketing efforts.</p>
<p>David H. Deans</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David: Great addition. For those MSPs that are just getting started with web marketing and PR, I strongly recommend the book &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.davidmeermanscott.com/books.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The New Rules of Marketing and PR&lt;/a&gt;,&quot; by David Meerman Scott.

Side Note: David was among the guest speakers I recruited for an event last  December attended by a few hundred VARs. Definitely a thought leader on Web marketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: Great addition. For those MSPs that are just getting started with web marketing and PR, I strongly recommend the book &#8220;<a href="http://www.davidmeermanscott.com/books.htm" rel="nofollow">The New Rules of Marketing and PR</a>,&#8221; by David Meerman Scott.</p>
<p>Side Note: David was among the guest speakers I recruited for an event last  December attended by a few hundred VARs. Definitely a thought leader on Web marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: David H. Deans</title>
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		<dc:creator>David H. Deans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO, the list is incomplete without #7, Use Online Marketing Effectively -- meaning, if I search for a service provider on Google, do I find your company&#039;s home page?

Try using a search term like &quot;Find a Managed Service Provider&quot; and view the top organic listings (not the paid Ads). Ask yourself, what are these MSPs doing that I&#039;m not?

Why should MSPs become savvy online marketers? According to the latest market studies from the CMO Council, Forrester Research and others, the quest to find a best-fit business technology solution provider most often starts with a keyword search on Google.

That said, you would think that marketers are shifting their limited budgets to follow this trend. Again, research indicates this is typically not the case. In fact, most MSPs likely still use either direct mail, telephone cold-calling, and other methods that have proven to be ineffective.

It&#039;s partly human nature -- people stick to what they know, even when they know the predictable result is less that satisfactory. I predict that the seventh way to acquire customers, online marketing, will move up the list of all MSPs... eventually.

The smart ones already have begun to leverage the online channel for prospective customer relationship development. We know, again from market research, that selling managed services is clearly an educational process for the vast majority of new buyers.

Therefore, your website content must inform and guide your prospective customers. My point: if your online presence doesn&#039;t systematically address the &quot;buying facilitation&quot; needs of your prospects, then you&#039;re missing a huge opportunity to differentiate your business in the marketplace.

You want a Profitable Managed Services business model? Get your cost-per-sale in line with the market leaders. You can do it by becoming a savvy online marketer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, the list is incomplete without #7, Use Online Marketing Effectively &#8212; meaning, if I search for a service provider on Google, do I find your company&#8217;s home page?</p>
<p>Try using a search term like &#8220;Find a Managed Service Provider&#8221; and view the top organic listings (not the paid Ads). Ask yourself, what are these MSPs doing that I&#8217;m not?</p>
<p>Why should MSPs become savvy online marketers? According to the latest market studies from the CMO Council, Forrester Research and others, the quest to find a best-fit business technology solution provider most often starts with a keyword search on Google.</p>
<p>That said, you would think that marketers are shifting their limited budgets to follow this trend. Again, research indicates this is typically not the case. In fact, most MSPs likely still use either direct mail, telephone cold-calling, and other methods that have proven to be ineffective.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s partly human nature &#8212; people stick to what they know, even when they know the predictable result is less that satisfactory. I predict that the seventh way to acquire customers, online marketing, will move up the list of all MSPs&#8230; eventually.</p>
<p>The smart ones already have begun to leverage the online channel for prospective customer relationship development. We know, again from market research, that selling managed services is clearly an educational process for the vast majority of new buyers.</p>
<p>Therefore, your website content must inform and guide your prospective customers. My point: if your online presence doesn&#8217;t systematically address the &#8220;buying facilitation&#8221; needs of your prospects, then you&#8217;re missing a huge opportunity to differentiate your business in the marketplace.</p>
<p>You want a Profitable Managed Services business model? Get your cost-per-sale in line with the market leaders. You can do it by becoming a savvy online marketer.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just a backup and recovery guy so everything I say and do is tainted by this :-). I&#039;m also in the UK so again this side of the pond is very different (and so my US friends tell me sooooooo much easier than the bear pit that is US managed services) :-). I have also been at this since 2001 so already show terrible signs of ageing.....

As a general point I would say that offsite backup has already experienced many of the cycles that other MS offerings are starting down the road.

The digisense thing is interesting, although I hadnt known the offering until you mentioned it. My gut reaction is that the barriers to entry for offsite backup providers ticks a few notches lower - you no longer even need to have a data centre/storage infrastructure because Amazon are tasked with taking care of it. Joe P has already (pretty much correctly imho) stated before Christmas that offsite backup is already a commodity.

And there begins my point. 

We see people using S3 all the time. They are generally small sub 10 user networks who see it as a cheap backup strategy to get their data offsite and tick all the boxes. BUT HOW DO YOU GET YOUR DATA BACK - QUICKLY?? The S3 SLA is not going to support you - how do you get 20-500 GB to your customer - NOW ?? Over DSL this restore will take 4 days or more - 4 DAYS ??? But they need mail restored - now - and they need their CRM back - now - and they need Quickbooks etc back - NOW. You are providing YOUR customer a backup/DR solution and they will be shouting really loud for you to deliver. 

Trust me. No-one shouts louder than a customer who thinks they have lost everything.

As an MSP beware of offering a backup service that could undermine the whole of your other efforts on that customer. &quot;X MSP was brilliant at hosted mail and managing my network but I had a corrupted accounts system and I didnt recover it for 4 days.......&quot;. We have a client who processes 1,000 orders for peripherals an hour. 4 days lost invoicing would - literally - kill their business.

I 100% would argue that any remote backup solution based on S3 storage is not solid. It is the cheap end of the cheap end. There already exists some big company backed entry level remote backup providers such as Mozy and Carbonite that do have some traction - please think long and hard before relying on an MSP who has no control over the recovery process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just a backup and recovery guy so everything I say and do is tainted by this <img src='http://c810422.r22.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . I&#8217;m also in the UK so again this side of the pond is very different (and so my US friends tell me sooooooo much easier than the bear pit that is US managed services) <img src='http://c810422.r22.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . I have also been at this since 2001 so already show terrible signs of ageing&#8230;..</p>
<p>As a general point I would say that offsite backup has already experienced many of the cycles that other MS offerings are starting down the road.</p>
<p>The digisense thing is interesting, although I hadnt known the offering until you mentioned it. My gut reaction is that the barriers to entry for offsite backup providers ticks a few notches lower &#8211; you no longer even need to have a data centre/storage infrastructure because Amazon are tasked with taking care of it. Joe P has already (pretty much correctly imho) stated before Christmas that offsite backup is already a commodity.</p>
<p>And there begins my point. </p>
<p>We see people using S3 all the time. They are generally small sub 10 user networks who see it as a cheap backup strategy to get their data offsite and tick all the boxes. BUT HOW DO YOU GET YOUR DATA BACK &#8211; QUICKLY?? The S3 SLA is not going to support you &#8211; how do you get 20-500 GB to your customer &#8211; NOW ?? Over DSL this restore will take 4 days or more &#8211; 4 DAYS ??? But they need mail restored &#8211; now &#8211; and they need their CRM back &#8211; now &#8211; and they need Quickbooks etc back &#8211; NOW. You are providing YOUR customer a backup/DR solution and they will be shouting really loud for you to deliver. </p>
<p>Trust me. No-one shouts louder than a customer who thinks they have lost everything.</p>
<p>As an MSP beware of offering a backup service that could undermine the whole of your other efforts on that customer. &#8220;X MSP was brilliant at hosted mail and managing my network but I had a corrupted accounts system and I didnt recover it for 4 days&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;. We have a client who processes 1,000 orders for peripherals an hour. 4 days lost invoicing would &#8211; literally &#8211; kill their business.</p>
<p>I 100% would argue that any remote backup solution based on S3 storage is not solid. It is the cheap end of the cheap end. There already exists some big company backed entry level remote backup providers such as Mozy and Carbonite that do have some traction &#8211; please think long and hard before relying on an MSP who has no control over the recovery process.</p>
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		<title>By: lsmith@doitsmarter.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>lsmith@doitsmarter.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the Amazon S3 offering actually helps the MSP market. Take a look at what Digisense is doing with this solution. They are providing a business level remote backup and archiving solution and don&#039;t even offer the storage rather they integrate with Amazon S3 and the MSP can then decide to either markup the Amazon service or have the customer pay Amazon directly. This may seem that the MSP is missing out on a lot of revenue potential, but the reality is that the small MSP does not usually have the billing systems in place to start charging customers a per GB solution. This allows the MSP to focus on the value they provide around the planning and management of the solution rather then how much per GB they are going to make. MSP&#039;s no longer need to build out a giant infrastructure to start selling a solid remote backup solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the Amazon S3 offering actually helps the MSP market. Take a look at what Digisense is doing with this solution. They are providing a business level remote backup and archiving solution and don&#8217;t even offer the storage rather they integrate with Amazon S3 and the MSP can then decide to either markup the Amazon service or have the customer pay Amazon directly. This may seem that the MSP is missing out on a lot of revenue potential, but the reality is that the small MSP does not usually have the billing systems in place to start charging customers a per GB solution. This allows the MSP to focus on the value they provide around the planning and management of the solution rather then how much per GB they are going to make. MSP&#8217;s no longer need to build out a giant infrastructure to start selling a solid remote backup solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon: No need to apologize. This site is designed for interaction. And a little humor can go a long way in the IT market. 

Have you really seen Amazon S3 (Simple Storage Service) begin to impact the managed storage market, or is Amazon more of a long-term concern?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon: No need to apologize. This site is designed for interaction. And a little humor can go a long way in the IT market. </p>
<p>Have you really seen Amazon S3 (Simple Storage Service) begin to impact the managed storage market, or is Amazon more of a long-term concern?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joe - sorry for adding to the confusion with my Joe P quip :-)

Managed storage is a nightmare market in my opinion. Amazon S3 has already imho murdered this market for value seeking MPS&#039;s - a strong brand, decent infrastructure for $ cents per GB.

Where we see the add ons are in speed of restore, and full Disaster Recovery (DR) to an easily accessible environment - which the wonder of VM allows us to offer based on hugely scalable platforms for not much more investment.

The days of the old fashioned &quot;dark site&quot; are limited - more and more people will rely on a virtual DR environment, accessible anywhere through IP, to be hosted and managed by a specialist backup service provider.

I hope :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe &#8211; sorry for adding to the confusion with my Joe P quip <img src='http://c810422.r22.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Managed storage is a nightmare market in my opinion. Amazon S3 has already imho murdered this market for value seeking MPS&#8217;s &#8211; a strong brand, decent infrastructure for $ cents per GB.</p>
<p>Where we see the add ons are in speed of restore, and full Disaster Recovery (DR) to an easily accessible environment &#8211; which the wonder of VM allows us to offer based on hugely scalable platforms for not much more investment.</p>
<p>The days of the old fashioned &#8220;dark site&#8221; are limited &#8211; more and more people will rely on a virtual DR environment, accessible anywhere through IP, to be hosted and managed by a specialist backup service provider.</p>
<p>I hope <img src='http://c810422.r22.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Simon: Great to hear from you. 

Just a quick point of clarification for readers who are less familiar with MSPmentor: Joe Panettieri (me) is the guy who edits this site. Joe Paquet from Axis Business Solutions is the person who contributed this list for group discussion.

Are you adding any additional backup-related services to your base services? One thing I&#039;ve noticed is a lot of MSPs are introducing managed storage -- so I&#039;m wondering how you differentiate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Simon: Great to hear from you. </p>
<p>Just a quick point of clarification for readers who are less familiar with MSPmentor: Joe Panettieri (me) is the guy who edits this site. Joe Paquet from Axis Business Solutions is the person who contributed this list for group discussion.</p>
<p>Are you adding any additional backup-related services to your base services? One thing I&#8217;ve noticed is a lot of MSPs are introducing managed storage &#8212; so I&#8217;m wondering how you differentiate.</p>
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